yes i know better than to use cheater pipes. sometimes though the cheater pipe is needed for extra leverage and to get the job done. i have breaker bars and long ratchets but sometimes need more. i keep old steel seatposts around for this purpose. strong and designed to resist bending. pump shafts are good too but they get messed up easily. the walls are too thin but there is an almost endless supply of pump shafts in the scrap pile.
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